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White room improv

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Most of it is rhythm to recreate the original playing. The soloing is on the outro. I like playing it because I don't follow the chord changes and just freak out on it. There's a couple of mistakes, but please let me know how you feel about it, so I can do it again when I get a wah pedal :D
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Don't care about mistakes, tone and playing shows you're not an absolute beginner! :big_smile: :clap:
Maybe you can tell us a bit more about your playing and what gear you used?

And then there's is still the old copyright problem. :icon_whoknows:
The backing is self made? It's a bit too close to the original...
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The guitar used is a Vintage V6 Strat (don't be confused, the Vintage is the name of the company), I think played on the hambucker (it has a double coil on the bridge). It is played through Guitar Rig over a youtube backing track made by this guy. The real life equivalencies of the gear I had in Guitar rig would be: a Marshall 1959 SLP and a Dallas Rangemaster Treble Booster.

My playing is sort of a mess really. I started out 7 years ago playing basically Beatles tunes on a classical guitar, then I bought my first shitty electric guitar and meanwhile got into the punk/reggae/rock thing, where guitar playing isn't even supposed to be good. After that I wen't back to my classical guitar, trying to basically learn to play classical music. That didn't last long either. My growing interest for the blues had me pick up the already mentioned Vintage and I started learning it. That was about 3 months ago. So you can say that my biggest drawback was my constantly changing musical taste. Now that I finally found myself, I mourn all the years spent in vain, but I figure I'll make up for it .

Didn't know copyright was as big of an issue for playing over backing tracks, it's really getting out of hand. Do you think it's a problem? I can take it down and send it over PMs to anyone who's interested.
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Totally agree - the tone and the playing shows you're very far from a beginner!

As for mistakes, I'd rather hear a full of life and emotional piece of playing with a few mistakes, than a note perfect and too clinical performance.
White Room is one of my favourite Cream tracks and you did a very good job on it.

I've been through a few Vintage brand guitars in my time playing electrics and two of my 4 steel string acoustics are made by Vintage. They do great value for money gear and they are usually worthy in their own right too.
I ended up with a Vintage Lemon Drop and had a nice burst of feverish creative activity with it before I suddenly switched to acoustic guitar with my aching fingers. Arthritic joints and blues bends are a bad combination!.

I remember it being a bit of a shock to my system coming from classical guitar to blues. A wonderful sense of freedom tinged with a regret that I hadn't been playing that sort of stuff for so many years!
An improv a day keeps the demons at bay!
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Thank you guys! Very sorry to hear about your arthritis, but acoustic blues is where's it's at :oldie: I picked up my V6 strat first of all because it looked stunning (see pic) and it felt amazing when I tried it. Not sure about their attentiveness to marketing (still skeptical about their choice of brand name lol), but the reviews I found online were all pretty much positive. I was saving money for either a Fender Strat or a Gibson SG (I'm a sucker for the gibbie sound, but strats always felt nicer to play), and I was at less than half the needed money when I realized I could end the search. I also tried a Vintage SG but the neck dive thing is really annoying for me and there was a string buzz problem. The clerk even offered to set it up for free but I wanted to save us both some time and stop myself from doing something I'd most definitely regret by now. Still gonna buy a SG one day though. I don't know why but I was never too keen on any LP based guitars, even though being a huge EC and Peter Green fan.
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Thanks for the details! Yes, Vintage guitars provide good value for money, although I agree, the brand name is stupid (do an internet search and you're lost). :lol:

A "constantly changing musical taste" in your age is quite normal and very good, you can absorb it all and put it into your playing. :music2:
At your age I listened to a crude mixture from Mike Oldfield (who is a very skilled guitar player) over Pentangle and other folk music to Deep Purple, Bruce Springsteen and Fleetwood Mac or less known bands like Renaissance.

Regarding copyright - that is a major problem to all private music related internet sites. A few years ago we had someone playing to youtube backing tracks when suddenly I got an email asking if I had the permission to publish it here. Luckily deleting it all was enough, but it could have been more. So please be careful, use free public domain backings and songs or your own work. :icon_whoknows:
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Well, I removed the track but I can still send it to anyone interested. I'll watch out in the future.
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Ulysses wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:44 am Thank you guys! Very sorry to hear about your arthritis, but acoustic blues is where's it's at :oldie: I picked up my V6 strat first of all because it looked stunning (see pic) and it felt amazing when I tried it. Not sure about their attentiveness to marketing (still skeptical about their choice of brand name lol), but the reviews I found online were all pretty much positive. I was saving money for either a Fender Strat or a Gibson SG (I'm a sucker for the gibbie sound, but strats always felt nicer to play), and I was at less than half the needed money when I realized I could end the search. I also tried a Vintage SG but the neck dive thing is really annoying for me and there was a string buzz problem. The clerk even offered to set it up for free but I wanted to save us both some time and stop myself from doing something I'd most definitely regret by now. Still gonna buy a SG one day though. I don't know why but I was never too keen on any LP based guitars, even though being a huge EC and Peter Green fan.
The V6 does look good! :thumbsup:
No surprise that it felt good when you played it - and if a guitar has that quality it doesn't matter what the price or label is, it's worth considering.

I remember my first Vintage brand guitar was an AV6 in blue - soap bar humbuckers with a switch t single coil setting. I've also had an AV4 bass, a VS6 (SG style), a V100 (Black Les Paul style), a VSA590 semi acoustic P90 (like a Casino), a V2 Tele, and the V100 Lemon Drop I've already mentioned elsewhere. None of these was a dud. I've found the Trevor Wilkinson hardware that appears on a lot of Vintage guitars to be well above the average for the price point.

I've had two real Gibson SGs - the first was bought used and was very good indeed. One of those guitars that seemingly plays itself. But unexpected high vet fees at a bad time for cash flow meant I had to let it go. I had a Gibson SG with P90s more recently - bought new - and it was as bad as the first one was good. The most disappointing electric guitar I ever had :angry: , and I flogged the Vintage VSA590 to help pay for it. That VSA590 being the only guitar sale that I regret.
When I sold the good Gibson SG I took to playing the Vintage V100 and it helped ease the pain of losing the SG - so it must have been good!

Nice to see you're a fan of Peter Green - good taste that man! :thumbsup:
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Yeah, the Wilkinson hardware and pups are really something for the price. I'm wondering, what was wrong with the Gibbie SG?

Yeah, Peter Green got me really really quick. Clapton I've listened to for years but it wasn't before the Beano album that I started to value his playing. Though I only heard about Peter after that experience, so it must have been a factor.
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The sad tale of the SG unfolds here if you want to look:-
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2497&hilit=gibson+sg+p90
Things were fine to begin with - it sounded good testing it out on its own.
The honeymoon period lasted six weeks or so and then shortcomings became apparent.
In particular sustain and tonal variation were woeful with the stock pickups. When it had to compete with backing / other instruments the faults started to show up big time.
Thinking of tweaking the electronics and / or pickup changes I then found the PCB circuit board and custom connectors in the control cavity and it became apparent how on the cheap it was built compared to my first SG. I really got quite annoyed with it all!
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Too bad, can't imagine the dissapointment. It looks very beautiful, though, and that must have made it even worse :sad: Quite educational thread though, at least for me since I've been searching for a good SG.
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