Bloody Crackin stuff !!

and good luck to her !! ( I have seen it before somewhere but no matter its worth 2 takes)

If I can play like that at 73 I shall well pleased !!

Or even a happy bunny ..............

Last edited by Strummer07 (Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:10:00)

Funny, I'm just learning this song...now i've got to give it up! Great playing.

wow im amazed, ive been learning this and id like to do the same kind of thing, can anybody tell me what key its in?

thanks, i have the peter green lick library but i doesnt have 'need your love so bad' on it which is one of my favorites by peter green, it has most of them on apart from jumping at shadows which is another favorite of mine, id love to see him live, where are you going to see him?

rickyc123 wrote:

thanks, i have the peter green lick library but i doesnt have 'need your love so bad' on it which is one of my favorites by peter green, it has most of them on apart from jumping at shadows which is another favorite of mine, id love to see him live, where are you going to see him?

With "Need Your Love So Bad" being one of your favourites have you tried the "Pious Bird of Good Omen" CD. The remastered and remixed version. It has version 1 and 2 with takes 1 2 and 3, the USA version and a remake of "Need Your Love..". Most of the takes are with no strings, some are with piano, soem with organ, and its a fascinating view of Peter Green and Fleetwood Mac playing the basic live takes. Peter Greens guitar work is magnificent and it shows how the same piece is not played the same note for note every time.

rickyc123 wrote:

@VikingBlues thanks ill look for that

About £4 and a few pennies on Amazon just now I think, but note there is also the original version which doesn't have all the different takes.

rickyc123 wrote:

do you guys think hes lost what he had when he first came about with the blues breakers and fleetwood mac? to me when i listen to his newer stuff it doesnt seem to have the feeling he once had

I feel it's a bit like two different people with different outlooks and personalities. I like both, but the current Peter Green is a much more gentle and quiet Peter Green. Its great to see clips of him playing with a smile on his face again this last few months though after the Splinter Group ended the way it did. The Man of the World DVD has some painful moving moments in it and I have Martin Celmins biography of him - I'm glad I read it but it has a lot of pain in there and I'm not sure whether I will ever read it again. I do sometimes feel guilty at enjoying listening to his early stuff due to what happened to him - but I think it was the "business" part of the music business that sent him where he went, not the music. I would rate a lot of the single phrases of the Fleetwood Mac Peter Green guitar playing higher than I would most guitarists contribution to a whole album. Just personal taste though and one man's meat is another mans poison etc, but his playing moves me on an emotional level that very few do. And its not just the reverse pickup sound thing that makes Peter Green unique - its his choice of notes and beatifully judged playing of the silences. His very early work showed such a great grasp of the real original blues too.

I will now get off my soap box and leave!

Well obviously I'll say more when I see him on Wednesday.

I wouldn't want to get into a "Better than" / "Best" .........kind of comparison ......beacause it never gets you anywhere and it subjective ..one mans meat etc

and it absolutely not what Peter G is all about ......he's one of the least competitive, egotistical person in the Rock buisness ....... e.g Fleetwood Mac was absolutely  his band .but named after two other people !!! .........there's  not many band leaders do that.

For me Peter Green was, and still is a special spirit in the world of Blues and Guitar playing
With Mayall and then with Fleetwood Mac we were offered some of the most stunningly good guitar music ( I would say ever ).....as he went through a purple patch of creativity in the early days of F.Mac............ the likes of which we still enjoy.........Listen to  - Man of The World / Albatross/ Black magic woman/ /Need Your Love / Green Manalishi etc and say I'm wrong !!

Then of course came his 'sabbatical' and lengthy spell in a dark place .............which he still skirts around the edges of occasionally ..the dreaded 'Black dog'...
So I don't think he is the same person. ... and to spend years on the wilderness , as a recluse and not even looking at a guitar ..well its a tough place to come back from.....and retain or regain a position as world class.

I am not expecting him to continue to knock out fantastic new stuff ...I think it gets tougher and tougher to be creative anyway and especially as you get older and when people have such amazingly high expectations of you...........think Steve Winwood..........Think Paul McCartneys ............think Sting to a certain extent.

I am happy to just appreciate that Peter is well, seems to be enjoying his life , feels able to come out onto a public stage ( albeit a smallish one)  and entertain us with his music once again.

If he should find his muse once again ...it would be fantastic
If he doesn't ...he has still touched a lot of people and will leave a fantastic legacy.

Will update on Wed !!

Last edited by Strummer07 (Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:43:00)

Strummer07 wrote:

and it absoltely not what Peter G is all about .he's one of the least competitive egotistical person in the Rock buisness ....... e.g Fleetwood Mac was absolutely  his band .but named after two other people !!! there's  not many band leaders do that.

Also evidenced by his bringing in two guitar players to Fleetwood Mac, Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwan - he wanted others to share the spotlight. I think he loved music but he had great trouble with the business and stardom side of being in Fleetwood Mac. It a shame that not just PG but also Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwan ended up de-railing and having such major life problems.

Strummer07 wrote:

For me Peter Green was and still is a special spirit in the world of Blues and Guitar playing
With Mayall and then with Fleetwood Mac we were offered some of the most stunningly good guitar music ( I would say ever .....as he went through a purple patch of creativity in the early days of FM the likes of which we still enjoy.........Listen to Man of The World / Albatross/ Black magic woman/ /Need Your Love / Green Manalishi etc and say I'm wrong !!)

I agree with every word there!

Strummer07 wrote:

Then of course came his 'sabbatical' and lengthy spell in a dark place .which he still skirts around the edges of occasionally ..the dreaded 'Black dog'...

Not to mention the green dog - Green Manalishi written after experiencing a drug-induced dream, in which he was visited by a green dog which barked at him. He understood that the dog represented money. "It scared me because I knew the dog had been dead a long time. It was a stray and I was looking after it. But I was dead and had to fight to get back into my body, which I eventually did. When I woke up, the room was really black and I found myself writing the song." It seems he was unable to record Robert Johnson's 'Hellhound On My Trail' and after this his only cover of 'Hellhound' was sung by Nigel Watson. According to his biography (by Martn Celmins) it took Peter Green "at least two years to recover from that song", but PG also said it was one of his best memories of Fleetwood Mac days. Then you also listen carefully to the words of Man of the World and you realise what really dark places he's been to.

Strummer07 wrote:

Will update on Wed !!

Enjoy the experience.   I wish that there had been a show near enough to the wilds of North Berwick to attend.

1983 interview if of any interest
http://www.fmlegacy.com/pg1983.html

I'm seeing Peter Green in Melbourne in a few weeks.  Can't wait!  (Seeing Buddy Guy too!)

Last edited by Majortom (Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:12:55)

Strummer07 wrote:

and the chords ( all of 'em ) are .....

A/ Amaj7 / A7 / D / D#dim7/F#7 / Bm7/  E/ B7 / E7 /  F .............and ...................................its in 12/8 time

I know the song is in A and the intro and outro use both notes of A maj and A min, but do the notes played during the verses and chorus also stick to A or do they change to the other chords in the progression? (I realise it may be a stupid question!)

Thanks!

Here's the post from the WT thread, and I'll go delete the one I put there...

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Clapton said in some article that he ran into Peter on the street - somewhere in London or around there - and it was after Peter was out of the hospital but still not really well mentally, still not playing, and Eric said Peter had fingernails that looked liked they hadn't been cut in many months (on BOTH hands) - like REALLY long (he just didn't care) and it would have been impossible to play any instrument (except maybe spoons big_smile ) - at least any instrument that required fingertips to play (maybe some percussion or brass wind instruments could be played with those long nails, but I can't STAND to grow my nails long at ALL (Just a yucky feeling to me), which is a major reason I didn't stay with classical guitar all that long).

I listened to some of Peter's "jams" since he's started playing and recording again, and I'll admit these were when he first got re-started, and also I surely was mentally comparing him to the FM Peter Green,which is NOT fair in either case to him for me to judge how he is now based on that, but at the time he seemed like a shadow of his former self (as if all the psychiatric drugs and probably ECT they subjected him to for so many years still had a hold on him).  Man, in the 60's he was WAY UP there with Clapton and Hendrix (of the other players of his age) - and I should add others like Beck and Page too, regardless of the "direction" they went in later on, so I often don't think of them as "Blues" guitarists as much as more jazzy and early metal oriented ones now.

There was a show on TV a while back where they traced the whole history of FM in all it's incarnations, and the other members of FM say it was a cult of .. groupies I guess but I'm not sure what they called them... but Peter was very gullible and easily manipulated back then (easy to take advantage of) and they had him at their communal house I think, and the other FM member's of the time blame his freak-out on days of intense LSD while with that group that invited Peter in (and who knows what they were saying to him when he was in those altered states that he may have believed and that came back to haunt him) - and anyway, the line between genius and insanity is often a fine one, and it's very easy to go from one to the other and sometimes NOT get back. Anyway, it's claimed that that group kept feeding LSD to Peter for days on end, and afterwards, he (according to those accounts) was never the same, and said he wouldn't take any more money (as it was the root of all evil - which it is the root of a LOT of evil, that's true, but anyone deserves to make a living at least.... hopefully without going to either extreme of taking NO money at all, or getting filthy rich and greedy and then often blowing all that money. Others did that - and spent their money (and they were rich in those days) on drugs (as EC was doing this during the early 70's and he was at the point of selling his guitars to pay for more, or gambling, or just buying whatever interested them regardless of the cost (as "The OX" - think bass player for The Who that died like the day before a reunion concert in his hotel room, but who had made tons of money and blew it ALL).

But after that experience with those people, Peter said he was leaving the band (he agreed to finish out the tour/album there were currently in the middle of) but he did quit, then got into physical brawls with anyone who tried to "force" him to take money that they were just told to give him as it was his share of earnings and yet he still clocked them and knocked one out - remember, don't kill the messenger! -  and I think that's when they (the "officials in Britain) decided he needed "help" - but it wasn't help being thrown into a dank psychiatric "prison" where he just turned into a vegetable...but that's how they liked them - no trouble to them that way motz ).

  It's great he's playing again, and I haven't heard his playing since he first started again a short while back so please tell us how it goes at the concert!  I hope some of that old "Spark" is re-ignited and Peter will sound good and be able to get back into a more fitting niche among the other players of his time who kept playing so are still "revered" - as he was truly one of the greats and I'll bet that greatness is still in there, because I think in someone like him (and others like EC and composers of the past like Beethoven), it's more than just some collection of brain cells that has that THING that makes them so special in it... Beethoven was going and then WAS completely DEAF *EARLY* in his career (but wrote his greatest works unable to hear a thing) and it's like EC playing Blackie - and NOT playing gibberish - even though he was flat on his back (literally) drunk on stage when he should not have been able to play AT ALL (thus the quote that "his fingers are wired directly to his soul"), as his brain cells were saturated with booze to the point where his other muscles couldn't keep him standing, but his fingers could still play.

So, if it's possible, I have to believe Peter will recover enough of "THE Peter" (if you know what I mean) and be a great player again amongst the other (at, near or over "when I'm 64" big_smile)  musicians out there!

Jim (who's not a great player, but is approaching the "when I'm 64" part at all too rapidly a rate! yikes )

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This had better not end up back in the WT thread again (and NO tricks Gerd!!! )

Jim S wrote:

Here's the post from the WT thread, and I'll go delete the one I put there...

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Clapton said in some article that he ran into Peter on the street - somewhere in London or around there - and it was after Peter was out of the hospital but still not really well mentally, still not playing, and Eric said Peter had fingernails that looked liked they hadn't been cut in many months (on BOTH hands) - like REALLY long (he just didn't care) and it would have been impossible to play any instrument (except maybe spoons big_smile ) - at least any instrument that required fingertips to play (maybe some percussion or brass wind instruments could be played with those long nails, but I can't STAND to grow my nails long at ALL (Just a yucky feeling to me), which is a major reason I didn't stay with classical guitar all that long).

I listened to some of Peter's "jams" since he's started playing and recording again, and I'll admit these were when he first got re-started, and also I surely was mentally comparing him to the FM Peter Green,which is NOT fair in either case to him for me to judge how he is now based on that, but at the time he seemed like a shadow of his former self (as if all the psychiatric drugs and probably ECT they subjected him to for so many years still had a hold on him).  Man, in the 60's he was WAY UP there with Clapton and Hendrix (of the other players of his age) - and I should add others like Beck and Page too, regardless of the "direction" they went in later on, so I often don't think of them as "Blues" guitarists as much as more jazzy and early metal oriented ones now.

There was a show on TV a while back where they traced the whole history of FM in all it's incarnations, and the other members of FM say it was a cult of .. groupies I guess but I'm not sure what they called them... but Peter was very gullible and easily manipulated back then (easy to take advantage of) and they had him at their communal house I think, and the other FM member's of the time blame his freak-out on days of intense LSD while with that group that invited Peter in (and who knows what they were saying to him when he was in those altered states that he may have believed and that came back to haunt him) - and anyway, the line between genius and insanity is often a fine one, and it's very easy to go from one to the other and sometimes NOT get back. Anyway, it's claimed that that group kept feeding LSD to Peter for days on end, and afterwards, he (according to those accounts) was never the same, and said he wouldn't take any more money (as it was the root of all evil - which it is the root of a LOT of evil, that's true, but anyone deserves to make a living at least.... hopefully without going to either extreme of taking NO money at all, or getting filthy rich and greedy and then often blowing all that money. Others did that - and spent their money (and they were rich in those days) on drugs (as EC was doing this during the early 70's and he was at the point of selling his guitars to pay for more, or gambling, or just buying whatever interested them regardless of the cost (as "The OX" - think bass player for The Who that died like the day before a reunion concert in his hotel room, but who had made tons of money and blew it ALL).

But after that experience with those people, Peter said he was leaving the band (he agreed to finish out the tour/album there were currently in the middle of) but he did quit, then got into physical brawls with anyone who tried to "force" him to take money that they were just told to give him as it was his share of earnings and yet he still clocked them and knocked one out - remember, don't kill the messenger! -  and I think that's when they (the "officials in Britain) decided he needed "help" - but it wasn't help being thrown into a dank psychiatric "prison" where he just turned into a vegetable...but that's how they liked them - no trouble to them that way motz ).

  It's great he's playing again, and I haven't heard his playing since he first started again a short while back so please tell us how it goes at the concert!  I hope some of that old "Spark" is re-ignited and Peter will sound good and be able to get back into a more fitting niche among the other players of his time who kept playing so are still "revered" - as he was truly one of the greats and I'll bet that greatness is still in there, because I think in someone like him (and others like EC and composers of the past like Beethoven), it's more than just some collection of brain cells that has that THING that makes them so special in it... Beethoven was going and then WAS completely DEAF *EARLY* in his career (but wrote his greatest works unable to hear a thing) and it's like EC playing Blackie - and NOT playing gibberish - even though he was flat on his back (literally) drunk on stage when he should not have been able to play AT ALL (thus the quote that "his fingers are wired directly to his soul"), as his brain cells were saturated with booze to the point where his other muscles couldn't keep him standing, but his fingers could still play.

So, if it's possible, I have to believe Peter will recover enough of "THE Peter" (if you know what I mean) and be a great player again amongst the other (at, near or over "when I'm 64" big_smile)  musicians out there!

Jim (who's not a great player, but is approaching the "when I'm 64" part at all too rapidly a rate! yikes )

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This had better not end up back in the WT thread again (and NO tricks Gerd!!! )

i think i watched that program about feetwood mac, thanks for reminding me, its such a shame what happened to PG, like you say hopefully hell get a part of his old self back, i hope he also comes to play near my home time because id love to see him play