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#1 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:40:58

zakk64
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small valve combo loud enough to gig

I've got an epi valve junior, and love the sound, but it struggles with a drummer. What I'm after is a small valve amp that can be driven, but is not too load to deafen, but loud enough to do small gigs with drums and bass.
In other words a valve junior that is a bit louder. Any suggestions?

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#2 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:49:04

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

I'd say you'll be looking at 15-20 watts.

Fender Blues Jr (my amp, love it) 15w
Peavey Windsor 20w
Blackheart Handsome Devil 15w
Epiphone Valve Senior 18w
Crate VC2112RB 15 watt 1x12 (if you can find one, not sure if they are still made)
Vox AC15
Orange AD15 15w

All combos with 1x12 speaker - some great amps there!

Then there's the  Laney LC15R which is 1x10


Dr Z or Mesa Boogie do 15w amps that I've only seen as heads rather than combos, and I'd guess they'd be in a whole different price bracket drool


Yes, I did some research on this recently whistle

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#3 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:39:41

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Are you looking all tube or maybe a hybrid?


"If I can make music that I enjoy, then I'm sure others will enjoy it too, and if they don't, then they're just not listening to it the way I am" - Eric Clapton

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#4 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:59:48

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

All tube, I was thinking about 15-20 watts, so I could still drive the power tubes. I suppose the valve senior looks the obvious one, but I've got to look at all options. The Bugera V22 seems popular, as does the fender blues junior. Is the fender a very clean amp?, will it give a fat overdrive?
Of course I could still mike up my valve junior, but its a lot of messing about, and I had to use another amp at a recent audition, which unsurprisingly didn't go too well!

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#5 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:19:53

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

The Fender is not too clean, in fact it won't do VERY clean at high volumes, but the power valves break up very nicely and give a great warm tone. And there is a "fat" button that seems to give the mids a bit of a boost. If you are looking at amps in this kind of range you should try one, along with a few others to compare.


I just noticed your username - are you going to be playing Zakk Wylde-type guitars through this? I find my strat sounds much better through this than my humbucker-equipped guitars (an old Korean 335 copy with Di Marzios and a Fernandes with seymour duncans). Others may have different experiences though, I know one guy who plays a Gibson LP through a Fender Blues Deluxe, which is very similar to the Blues Jr, and gets a fantastic sound. icon_whoknows

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#6 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:14:28

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Most valve amps with a 12" speaker are loud enough to gig in pubs and clubs. I can recommend the amp I gigged for years with total reliability.
The LANEY LC 30, which I sold when I stopped gigging,only because I could only have the volume between 1 & 2 in the house. Above that everyone on the street ( only 9 houses!!) could hear it. Laney also sell an awesome LC50. I've only ever seen the Blues Jnr. used as a Harp amp in a Blues band in the uk.

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#7 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:46:49

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Have you thought of getting a bigger extension cabinet for your valve junior? Its cost friendly, and a larger speaker cabinet (maybe a 2x12) will allow your sound to travel further.

EDIT: Try this,

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/prod … sku=502587

Last edited by LeftyBlues (Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:48:17)


"If I can make music that I enjoy, then I'm sure others will enjoy it too, and if they don't, then they're just not listening to it the way I am" - Eric Clapton

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#8 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:33:39

zakk64
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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

I've heard of Zakk Wylde, but haven't heard him, ... if you know what I mean?
Zakk is the wifes horse. Gotta keep her sweet, or no new amp!
Guitar wise I play a Vintage SG copy, thats a cracking guitar for the price. The Peter Green one is also on the wish list.
I've had a Laney Linebacker for years, so I know there good reliable amps, might try out their valve combos.
I did try a 2x12 cab, but the crunch didn't seem to be there.

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#9 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:36:28

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Something else that I may recommend is the Vox Valvetronix line. I have the 30 watt version and its great for crunchy blues, but then a quick switch and you got nice sparkly clean tone. The line goes all the way up to 100 watts, but for your sake i would recommend the 30 watt. It has a power attenuator built in to the back so you can play it at 15-20 watts and drive the tubes with out driving you, your wife, and your neighbors insane. I would definitely recommend checking it out, I got my 30 watt used at a lower price than a NEW 15 watt.


"If I can make music that I enjoy, then I'm sure others will enjoy it too, and if they don't, then they're just not listening to it the way I am" - Eric Clapton

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#10 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:27:24

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

I've never been to keen on Vox, as you said the tone is bright and sparkly, not quiet my cup of tea. Something that goes from Peter Green to Angus Young would be ideal (and not too expensive, I know, there's the rub!)

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#11 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:54:46

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

After looking on you tube the Bugera v22 and BH handsome devil seem impressive.
I've heard the Bugera has reliability issues, anyone any experience?
Both similar price, £260 and £300.
Anyone vouch for these amps, any pit fall to look for?
I assume they both chuck out plenty of noise!

Cheers, Zakk

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#12 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:42:36

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Just come across the Harley Benton GA15 which looks like a 15 watt version of the epi valve junior, and only around£100!
Is this too good to be true? Gotta be a catch, should I hold out for the handsome devil and pay the extra £200?

Cheers Zakk

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#13 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:58:08

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Harley Benton is the same amp as the Epiphone, but under-priced, made in the same factory. If you like small Epihones, look on Ebay uk for RAT hotrodded amps. The price goes up, but the quality and features do too. Some guy in Cornwall is RAT. I would say NO to the valvetronix, having just exchanged my 50 watt version. Yes it has an attenuator and lots of things to play about with, BUT, I found all the sounds MUDDY at all volumes. There is only one valve. My main guitar is a 52 RI tele and it never sounded right through the valvetronix. I now use a Champ 600 with a Boss Blues Driver and the sound is superb, even at bedroom level. I suspect that the Champ would sound good through a cab. Interesting thread!!

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#14 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:54:21

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

zakk64 wrote:

I've never been to keen on Vox, as you said the tone is bright and sparkly, not quiet my cup of tea. Something that goes from Peter Green to Angus Young would be ideal (and not too expensive, I know, there's the rub!)

The point I was trying to get across was that the Vox can play anything. I play it with the gain all they way up to 7-8 and volume max cause I love Peter Green bluesbreakers tone (its perfect for The Super Natural). Whether or not you get it, if you see one at your local shop, try it out.


"If I can make music that I enjoy, then I'm sure others will enjoy it too, and if they don't, then they're just not listening to it the way I am" - Eric Clapton

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#15 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:32:56

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Bluesmole wrote:

I would say NO to the valvetronix, having just exchanged my 50 watt version. Yes it has an attenuator and lots of things to play about with, BUT, I found all the sounds MUDDY at all volumes. There is only one valve. My main guitar is a 52 RI tele and it never sounded right through the valvetronix. I now use a Champ 600 with a Boss Blues Driver and the sound is superb, even at bedroom level. I suspect that the Champ would sound good through a cab. Interesting thread!!

FWIW I've got the impression from using a Valvetronix myself and hearing of others experience that the Valvetronix suits humbucker guitars more than single coil pickups. I've tried two different Teles and a strat style through mine and they didn't really work. thumbsdown  But both my regular 'bucker guitars all sound good through it. smile  HBLs Tokai "strat" doesn't bring out the quality of his playing if it's through a Valvetronix. Ahh - its all horses for courses again which is why the advice is always you have to try out as many guitars / amps / etc as you can to find what's right for you. Good luck with your quest Zakk64. smile


Starting to find "that" tone, but it's taken too many years!

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#16 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:14:53

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

VikingBlues wrote:

Bluesmole wrote:

I would say NO to the valvetronix, having just exchanged my 50 watt version. Yes it has an attenuator and lots of things to play about with, BUT, I found all the sounds MUDDY at all volumes. There is only one valve. My main guitar is a 52 RI tele and it never sounded right through the valvetronix. I now use a Champ 600 with a Boss Blues Driver and the sound is superb, even at bedroom level. I suspect that the Champ would sound good through a cab. Interesting thread!!

FWIW I've got the impression from using a Valvetronix myself and hearing of others experience that the Valvetronix suits humbucker guitars more than single coil pickups. I've tried two different Teles and a strat style through mine and they didn't really work. thumbsdown  But both my regular 'bucker guitars all sound good through it. smile  HBLs Tokai "strat" doesn't bring out the quality of his playing if it's through a Valvetronix. Ahh - its all horses for courses again which is why the advice is always you have to try out as many guitars / amps / etc as you can to find what's right for you. Good luck with your quest Zakk64. smile

Yeah i noticed that too about the humbuckers through the vox. When I play my Epi Dot through it, pure gold in my eyes, but when i play my squier strat, it always sounds like i have flanger or phaser on. But then again most fenders sound best through fender amps big_smile.


"If I can make music that I enjoy, then I'm sure others will enjoy it too, and if they don't, then they're just not listening to it the way I am" - Eric Clapton

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#17 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:28:47

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

I'll certainly try the vox out, got to look at all options, can't afford to make mistakes!
I do like the look of the handsome devil though, problem is none of the local shops stock them, so I can't try one out.
The you tube videos do sound good though. And I like the 7 watt/15 watt option

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#18 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:18:23

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Just a thought! If money is no object, the Cornford Harlequin is a superb beast, although rated at around 5 watts. I've tried one at a small dealer, with  PRS Mira , a tele and a Gibson SG. It is LOUD as well as tonally gifted!!!

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#19 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:41:49

zakk64
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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Money no object? I wish! looking at spending about £300, providing I can sell my marshall valvestate VS100, and some other bits and pieces

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#20 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:39:25

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Well I've sold the valvestate and ordered the Blackheart! I would never normally buy an amp without trial, but they're not stocked locally. They do sound good on you tube though. Watch this space for a review. (Ihope its gonna be positive!)

Cheers, Zakk

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#21 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:25:54

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

zakk64 wrote:

Well I've sold the valvestate and ordered the Blackheart! I would never normally buy an amp without trial, but they're not stocked locally. They do sound good on you tube though. Watch this space for a review. (Ihope its gonna be positive!)

Cheers, Zakk

Good luck with the Blackheart Zakk - look forward to the review. thumbsup

Sometimes you've got to buy untested because of local supply. I would have had a two day round trip (travel costs would have added nearly a third on to the price) to try my Tokai before I bought it - I'm glad I took the risk. Fingers crossed for you. smile


Starting to find "that" tone, but it's taken too many years!

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#22 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:09:29

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

Just got my Blackheart and must say am chuffed to bits with it. We rehersed yesterday, and its well loud, in fact our drummer asked me to turn it down. So thats criteria No. 1 sorted.
Tone wise I love it, it does great cleans at volume, and can be really driven like a blues breaker. Heavy little beast though!

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#23 Tue, 11 May 2010 01:43:34

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Re: small valve combo loud enough to gig

As an update on this amp, after a little playing I've really got to grips with it and am getting some really sweet tones, and all at 7watts! done a couple of gigs and used this setting and it really sings.

Cheers, Zakk

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