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I am looking for something pretty easy to use to jam along to, to record onto , to slow stuff down etc
I already have a Boss BR600 .but to be honest find it very un intuitive, complicated menus etc and the long and short of its is .it has not got used a lot .just too fiddly
I want to play the guitar................ .not faff about with computers .what I am saying is ......It gotta be easy and friendly !!
I've been looking at the Vox JamVox .
which is a bit of hardware and software .and gives you loads of amp models and effects ( via the Computer) enables you to take the centre out of a track and remove the lead guitar or vocal and then play into the 'space'
http://www.voxamps.com/jamvox/
Recently Boss have produced something similar .except its stand alone and does not need the PC ( although you can use it to connect to a PC)
The Boss E-Band JS-8
Boss gives you way more in the way of backing tracks and a different set of effects .but in a nutshell it kinda seems to do the same thing .....................something to Jam along to that gives you ability to record and also the phrase trainer facility, a) slows it down and b) .takes bits out of the original track so you can play along to the original track .
http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetai … uctId=1027
My dilemma .......................is which one to go for ?????:whoknows: ......................and the price partially impacts this
UK prices JamVox UK pds 150
.......Boss eband £ 289.00
.....£130 pds different !! so its a fair bit!! However if Boss is easy to use and does not suffer glitches ..I'll pay the extra wonga !!
the other thing is that reading some of the online reviews on the JamVox......it seems to have had quite a few problems with the software .works on some Computers and not on others.when it works its Fab ![]()
when it dosn't ................well its a waste of space
( for me anyway )
So help an old, technically uninterested fella ( Not totally tecnically inept , just can't be bothered to play about with it too much, and lack of patience !! ) make some sense of all this stuff ......................
1) does anyone have one ?? if so your experiences ?
2) from all the write ups ...anyone have a view ??
Is there anything else I should consider ??? and No .I don't want cubase or Guitar Rig
I want to plug in and play along .....I'd appreciate your thoughts
Last edited by Strummer07 (Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:21:49)
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If you can stand / afford the pain it sounds a good option to go for the Boss as you can use it anywhere (well, where there's power) and you don't have to get a computer to co-operate. It pains me to say this a bit as I'm a bit of a Vox fan, but hey ho. 
Bear in mind I'm just an old technophone - I used to enjoy playing around getting computers to work, but now ......

Also I've used neither of them so I can't make a judgement call on user friendliness - the idea of intuitive equipment seems low down on manufacturers priorities now. In my day ... 
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Thks VB ...sounds like decent advice .......I too quite like Vox stuff ......but faced with all sorts of issues around the software from some unfortunate customers ..............I do wonder !!
I don't wish to spend time fiddling and faffing about with it.
For me "plug and play" means precisely that.
Would really like to hear from anyone with experience of either option ....good or bad !!
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I understand that there is also a bit of kit .. software I think called..............
"Band in a Box 2010 ".(sounds fun) seems more orientated to Jazz rather than blues .but its certainly a backing track creator .
I just don't know if you can record into it as well ....................nor how 'idiot' operable it is .......any experiences ??
I rather dismissed 'Guitar Rig' in my first post ...but I don't really know enough about it to write it off ....again anyone vouch for it ??
As long as I can apply the 'Kiss' principle ( Keep it Sweet and Simple) .I will consider most things
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Sorry I can't actually help much Strummer, but I feel the same way about you as wanting something very user friendly to be able to plug and play, so I'm interested to see other peoples replies.
I did come across this on youtube with someone using guitar rig. Not that it gives any actual information about it, but still it's pretty cool.
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Great vid Majortom ! Tks ...and good to hear somone else wants something simple to "plug and play" along with
This Guy is pretty amazing, Loop Soup indeed .............seems like his whole house is one large studio !! .somone has some money to burn here ( or a v. rich dad !!always helps one budding musical career .although if you read most solid music 'stars' biops they usually started with a guitar worth about 30 bob and only 3 or 4 strings ... ..-That is about £1.50 uk in todays money or about $2.34 )
Does anyone on here use Guitar rig I wonder ??
Jamvox ??
Boss eBand JS-8 ??
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Hello again !! I think I am running out of options here ....................
I'll start off with more or less answering my own thread questions .......In the interest of science you understand !!
Vox Jam Vox........Great bit of kit conceptually. Unfortunately , it is not a very stable piece of software and seems to suffer from all sorts of glitches and tends to be noisy with electrical 'clicks' and 'static noises' a regular issue.
the software seems a bit tempramental in as much as it will work with some pc's / laptops and is tough with others................. .of course you don't know which way it's gonna be for you .......until you buy it.
I saw it / tried it out in a Gutar shop in Guilford UK and it was indeed tempramental .worked for a bit .looked quite impressive and I liked the visual aspect of it ...then it made some noises ....then it more or less switched iteslf off and refused to work anymore .......One shop tech said he thought it was OK and the other said it was a piece of ****!!! and they'd had loads brought back !! ....So , sorry Vox I won't be spending £140.00 on that. way too risky, and with my zero patience rating I fear it would end up going through the window!! .
Boss e-band JS-8 ...well it worked ok ...not a very visual experience as the whole thing is done with menu's in a small 6 cm x 4.5 cm blue window. lots of effects and pretty good they are too. Loads of standard backing tracks/ loops already loaded .mainly pop / metal / Rock .only about 5 Blues variants . But easy to load mp3 tracks a via a USB dongle and jam along . Seemed easy enough to record ones 'jammings' . However, as it stands it really just a 'bedroom' bit of kit ....its quite small and its pretty quiet and speakers are really small (like a small radio so not a lot of bass and virtually no punch) ......to get any sense of a decent volume and a feel of jamming with a band ( even a garage band) you'd need to connect it to a set of speakers or monitors ..plus the price at £290.00 ( circa $450.00 USD ) I feel its a lot of bread for a rather mini tool .......................I've not discounted it forever......................it may be the only real 'easy to use' option .but I'd like to see if there is better value about.
So I am forced to consider the PC as an option .But its gotta be easy to use ....faffing about all night with a pc is not for me
I notice on another thread that blind Boy posts
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My wife got me a Line 6 Guitar Port as an early Christmas present. I guess, once I figure it out, I will be online soon. Hope I can get it figured out, this is the only piece of digital gear I own. If it doesn't have chicken head knobs and tubes glowing in the back, I don't know what to do with it.
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this rather sums me up ....so i wonder how blind Boy has got on ???
I've looked at the Home recording bit on here and if I'm reading it right
One needs a Guitar Port ................Line 6 UX1 recommended ( discontinued in the UK I think ) or a UX2 .anything else worth considering please ????
and as the software that comes with Line 6 for recording is apparently a bit naff or does not work with Vista (???? read it on here I think )
the concensus seems to be to down load the free Audacity software
Do I need anything else ?? ![]()
So in a nutshell .......is it easy to get backing tracks onto Audacity and Jam along using the Line 6 Toneport ??
is there anything else worth looking at ??
or should i start going around car boot sales and trying to find an old clockwork tape recorder ?????
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Strummer07 wrote:
I've looked at the Home recording bit on here and if I'm reading it right
One needs a Guitar Port ................Line 6 UX1 recommended ( discontinued in the UK I think ) or a UX2 .anything else worth considering please ????
and as the software that comes with Line 6 for recording is apparently a bit naff or does not work with Vista (???? read it on here I think )
the concensus seems to be to down load the free Audacity software
Do I need anything else ??
So in a nutshell .......is it easy to get backing tracks onto Audacity and Jam along using the Line 6 Toneport ??
is there anything else worth looking at ??
or should i start going around car boot sales and trying to find an old clockwork tape recorder ?????
I wish there was a simple answer, but the older I get the less simple anything on a computer is!! 
I'm not going to be much practical help here I think. I haven't used audacity for recording instruments, only for some very basic editing.
I used a Line 6 UX1 for quite a while though. I had to struggle a bit at the installation stage. Line 6 monkey, which needs to be installed to supervise everything, seemed to want to be updated more often than it should, but eventually I installed and updated everything enough times that it did work. On XP (not Vista), and with a good ASIO friendly soundcard. The "not Vista" is quite probably my fault though, but I can't climb all these learning curves anymore and Vista just annoys the hell out of me. 
The recording quality was good and it wasn't, as far as I remember, difficult to use with other recording software (Guitar Tracks Pro and Samplitude Music Studio), but I found I was forever fiddling around with the settings trying to get the tone I liked and there were so many setting to fiddle with. Ended up so wound up by not getting it where I wanted that I couldn't then get a recording done at the end of it.
This is why I settled on the Vox Tonelab ST. All the setting are done using solid bits of hardware
before the computer kicks in and it can be used into amps or away from a computer and amps with headphones. But I'm lucky that the tone is the sort I usually use, and I've meaybe been lucky that installation was painless (again only on XP - I've given up on Vista for guitar work).
Good luck with the quest. 
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a guitar teacher on jamplay has band in a box he uses it all the time when teaching seams very easy and quick to create and loop chord progresions. i think it is dear to buy the whole package as well aound 700 au dollars but think the basic kit is about 300 au.
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Thanks VB and gt
VB...I'm afraid that your experiences with the Line 6 toneport are very much what i fear .....way too much in terms of gobbledegook instructions and stuff that needs installing and then un installing and twaeking and initialising etc etc ..........to get it to work .......lots of effort for fairly little return.
I can just see it ending up in the back garden somewhere !!
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I had to struggle a bit at the installation stage.
Line 6 monkey, needs to be installed to supervise everything, seemed to want to be updated more often than it should
I installed and updated everything ( eventually) enough times that it did work.
On XP (not Vista), and with a good ASIO friendly soundcard.
The "not Vista" is quite probably my fault though, but I can't climb all these learning curves anymore and Vista just annoys the hell out of me
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VB .. I felt worn out just reading that lot !!!
I wonder how blind boy is getting on with his ?? bb are you there ??
I have to say that Band in a Box seems to look pretty good, the 2010 version even uses real musicians clips .. so it all sounds real ..however I am I right in thinking that this is really just a great tool for creating backing tracks ??
I'm unsure about wether its also something to jam and record onto ???
does anyone actually have it / use it on here ??
and even then one still needs some form of interface with the pc to plug a guiatr into !!!
So i still need some insights on
a) guitar /pc interface .easy to use ...this months Guitarist reviews the "Steinberg C12 Advanced Integration USB Studio" ( blimey even the name gives me the shivers) .. but its supposed to be an entry level 'plug in and play' audio recording and production system ??? Guitarist rates it and gives it 4 + stars
Question ..............is that better than the Line 6 toneport UX2 option ??????
b) a software prog to play backing tracks mp3s and record my own noodlings onto
this 'quest' is begining to feel like I am searching for the holy grail ??..........and I fear I am in danger of getting lost !!
Is it asking too much to have something simple, easy to use & fit for purpose....................purpose being a bit of kit to play a guitar with a record the proceedings ...easily !
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Strummer07 wrote:
I have to say that Band in a Box seems to look pretty good, the 2010 version even uses real musicians clips .. so it all sounds real ..however I am I right in thinking that this is really just a great tool for creating backing tracks ??
I'm unsure about wether its also something to jam and record onto ???
does anyone actually have it / use it on here ??
Half Blind Lefty has got Band in a Box recently. There's a post of his in the blues room (most recent page).
http://12bar.de/forum/uploads.php?file=demo.mp3
and a thread in the Playing Blues Guitar Forum with an audio link
http://12bar.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2868
From what I've heard of demos the "RealTracks" put in a different ballpark for creating backing tracks that sound like real musicians, but there's only a limited number come with the basic package and it can be quite costly to expand your collection of these.
Yes - I believe you can add playing your own instruments and it does have built in effects you can use but you will still need an input device to the computer and this is where I think you need advice from non-technophobes. Hopefully HBL, or any members who use it will be able to give you more info on Band in a Box.
Again, good luck with the quest. 
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tks VB
I hope HBl gets a peek at this thread
Actually i can't seem to find a 'personal message' facility on here so you can just contact the person direct ( you can if they've posted an e-mail address) but not many posters sem to do that.
The weekends arte usually quiet on here so I'll wait for the weekend (and Valentines day) to pass.
I definately need some more info on interfaces before I do anything.
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He's peeking right now

I'll answer somewhere today, right now I'm busy repairing a PC
But for a quick answer, yes biab is a awesome tool to generate tracks.
form beginner to pro level... the learning curve is quite steep if you want to get better results.
It's a good way to deepen your music theory knowledge to (even I have to)
more later
btw, pg music has a 30 day money back guarantee so why not test it ?

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