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#1 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:39:45

LzyOldFrt
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Peter Green Pickup

I'm curious if anyone here has tried to modify thier pickups to get that "Peter Green Sound".  If so, I'd like to know how it turned out for you.

Today, I finally got up the courage to take apart my Les Paul pickup and reversed the magnet as his was.  The process was easier than I thought.  It only took about 15-20 minutes.  The resulting sound is Ok.  It is "similiar" to Green's sound (without the Marshall stack, of course), but it is not exact.  My Les Paul has the Burstbucker Pro's which are overwound Alnico 5's.  Green's '59 had the classic Alnico 2's.  I think this may be the reason the sound I got is 'close' but not exact.

Any of you done this modification, I'd like to know how it worked for you.  Any opinions or suggestions?

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#2 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:26:38

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Re: Peter Green Pickup

HBL did it and included photos and sound samples.  http://www.12bar.de/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=16926  thumbsup


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#3 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:16:55

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Re: Peter Green Pickup

I hear that 'Vintage have produced a 'Peter Green' Les Paul. Geoff Whitehorn (Procul Harem) demos it on You Tube! The wiring is supposedly correct.

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#4 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:00:39

rickyc123
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

my dad done it to his les paul copy and it sounds great like you say not exactly the peter green sound but close, then i decided to do it to my vintage v100 lm which had p90s, and that gave it a very unique tone but i sold it because i didnt use it anymore, i have the jimmy page mod on my 335 though which includes the option of the out of phase tone and i love it

Vintage have made Peter Green Les Paul, but im not very keen on it when you look at it close up if looks kind of tacky because its meant to look aged but its not done the 'proper' way and the top feels weird as if its something that was stuck on, it sounds quite nice though and apparently wilkingson who make the pickups have produced a peter green pickup, i havent heard it before though but im guessing it would sound like the Vintage PG guitar

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#5 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:37:52

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Re: Peter Green Pickup

As always with Peter Green everything is shrouded in mystery.

I have seen this quoted as from Tim Mills at Bareknuckle who do the PG Blues Pickups.

"It's a common misconception that the Peter Green neck p/up is
reverse polarity.Having spoken with the man who repaired it I can
confirm it was rewound in reverse with heavy formvar and not
simply a flipped magnet.We don't wire our neck out of phase we
actually reverse wind the coils and that's where the tone lies. Either
flipping the magnet OR reverse winding will not effect the neck tone
on it's own however it does effect the middle position which
becomes out of phase with the bridge. This is the way Peter Greens
LP was configured-by accident due to the neck p/up repair- and so
we make our set the same way.Many 'gurus' claim to know the
secret of the Peter Green tone but none of them have actually
found out. Having gone into considerable depth with not only Sam
Lee who did the repair but also Charlie Chandler who repaired the
LP after a car accident that Peter had I'm confident I've gotten to
the bottom of it.The final proof is the people that play them, not
only Gary Moore ! who's owned the original LP longest and plays
the PG Blues set now but also guys like Bernie Marsden, Geoff
Whitehorn etc all who know the tone inside out say we've nailed it.
kind regards Tim"


Starting to find "that" tone, but it's taken too many years!

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#6 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:32:21

rickyc123
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From: Newcastle, United Kingdom
Registered: Fri, 05 Mar 2010
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

VikingBlues wrote:

As always with Peter Green everything is shrouded in mystery.

I have seen this quoted as from Tim Mills at Bareknuckle who do the PG Blues Pickups.

"It's a common misconception that the Peter Green neck p/up is
reverse polarity.Having spoken with the man who repaired it I can
confirm it was rewound in reverse with heavy formvar and not
simply a flipped magnet.We don't wire our neck out of phase we
actually reverse wind the coils and that's where the tone lies. Either
flipping the magnet OR reverse winding will not effect the neck tone
on it's own however it does effect the middle position which
becomes out of phase with the bridge. This is the way Peter Greens
LP was configured-by accident due to the neck p/up repair- and so
we make our set the same way.Many 'gurus' claim to know the
secret of the Peter Green tone but none of them have actually
found out. Having gone into considerable depth with not only Sam
Lee who did the repair but also Charlie Chandler who repaired the
LP after a car accident that Peter had I'm confident I've gotten to
the bottom of it.The final proof is the people that play them, not
only Gary Moore ! who's owned the original LP longest and plays
the PG Blues set now but also guys like Bernie Marsden, Geoff
Whitehorn etc all who know the tone inside out say we've nailed it.
kind regards Tim"

the man that does the peter green lick library dvds says the same thing, how much are thse bareknuckle pickups?

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#7 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:16:52

Strummer07
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From: Rickmansworth United Kingdom
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/sho … 2459fc228c

Take a look ..

Its a good forum as well .not as good as this one !! but any specific questions about Bareknuckle pickups and sound clips .all there

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#8 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:21:01

VikingBlues
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

rickyc123 wrote:

the man that does the peter green lick library dvds says the same thing, how much are thse bareknuckle pickups?

Bit expensive I'm afraid! £172 is one of the cheapest sites having had a quick look. I suppose you get what you pay for! sad
http://www.coda-music.com/product_info. … ts_id=6936

rickyc123 wrote:

Vintage have made Peter Green Les Paul, but im not very keen on it when you look at it close up if looks kind of tacky because its meant to look aged but its not done the 'proper' way and the top feels weird as if its something that was stuck on, it sounds quite nice though and apparently wilkingson who make the pickups have produced a peter green pickup, i havent heard it before though but im guessing it would sound like the Vintage PG guitar

I would have been interested a while back if they'd done those pickups in a normal finish guitar - i'm afraid I find the relic option a turn off. sad

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Starting to find "that" tone, but it's taken too many years!

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#9 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:00:32

Blind Boy
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

VikingBlues wrote:

I would have been interested a while back if they'd done those pickups in a normal finish guitar - i'm afraid I find the relic option a turn off. sad

I have never seen the appeal of buying a new guitar and paying exta for phony "aged" finish. I would rather put my own mileage on it.


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#10 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:27:53

Majortom
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: Sat, 10 Oct 2009
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

Blind Boy wrote:

VikingBlues wrote:

I would have been interested a while back if they'd done those pickups in a normal finish guitar - i'm afraid I find the relic option a turn off. sad

I have never seen the appeal of buying a new guitar and paying exta for phony "aged" finish. I would rather put my own mileage on it.

Same here- not a fan of the fake aged thing.

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#11 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:21:53

rickyc123
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From: Newcastle, United Kingdom
Registered: Fri, 05 Mar 2010
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

Majortom wrote:

Blind Boy wrote:

VikingBlues wrote:

I would have been interested a while back if they'd done those pickups in a normal finish guitar - i'm afraid I find the relic option a turn off. sad

I have never seen the appeal of buying a new guitar and paying exta for phony "aged" finish. I would rather put my own mileage on it.

Same here- not a fan of the fake aged thing.

my thoughts exactly, if youve ever had the chance to look at one closely it doesnt look like a real aged guitar, it looks weird like its a sticker on the front, everytime i go past my local guitar shop that has one in the window i look at it, for some reason im tempted to buy one but also im not, it sounds great but looks stupid. they play quite well aswel, has anybody ever noticed peter greens pickup height aswel? i noticed when i was watching videos last night that the bass string end of the pickup is actually lower then the pickup ring, i set my dads up similar to what i though and it sounds quite nice, id try it if you have done the mod, it might surprise you

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#12 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:52:58

VikingBlues
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

rickyc123 wrote:

has anybody ever noticed peter greens pickup height aswel? i noticed when i was watching videos last night that the bass string end of the pickup is actually lower then the pickup ring, i set my dads up similar to what i though and it sounds quite nice, id try it if you have done the mod, it might surprise you

I hadn't noticed it on PGs set up (must check it out), but my Tokai LC85 when on the neck pickup sounds best (to me) if the bass side of the pickup is just below the pickup ring, and the treble side pretty flush. smile

Depending on each individual guitar it will vary a bit depending on depth of neck pocket and relative height of the fretboard to the guitar body top of course. It's a useful excercise to try little adjustments on things like the pickup heights. Can make quite a difference in sound.


Starting to find "that" tone, but it's taken too many years!

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#13 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:13:18

rickyc123
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From: Newcastle, United Kingdom
Registered: Fri, 05 Mar 2010
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Re: Peter Green Pickup

im not sure what videos i was watching, but ive just started messing about with the heights of the pickups in all my guitars mainly because i thought my epi black beauty needed new pickups but i read something about the height of pickups and i noticed i had set mine too close to the strings and i was getting unwanted noise, now it sounds great, and ive even got the middle pickup set up just right, and when i spotted pgs in the videos last night i thought hmm ill try that, i can actually gettin pretty close to the black magic tone ive been trying to get for so long

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