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#1 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:34:08

HalfBlindLefty
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The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

A while ago I posted the demo song "The forest" and got stuck with the feeling I should do more with it.

Here is the story behind the pictures & Music :

A piece of music I created as a demo of how a cheapo Stagg guitar (Telecaster copy) can sound.
The atmosphere the music breaths reminded me of the contrast between the industrial world and nature
This is what I ended up with.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7y_Evz4J4Q


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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#2 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:39:40

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Great job, can make you cry2 (Pink Floyd would love it!)

BUT: I always thought the Netherlands were - flat with no forests? eye_rub

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#3 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:33:37

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

You have been too quite lately HBL nice to hear some more music from you.thumbsup

A Tele's bite has never been my favourite sound but I like it with players like Robben Ford, and I think it works well with your style as well.


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#4 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:33:48

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Nice thumbsup I like the sparse, ambient kind of sound you hav going on there.


Dynamics and phrasing trump hot licks every time.

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#5 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:00

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Great sound!! clap

I like it thumbsup

To me the pictures look like a contrast between the beauty of nature and the ugliness of what man has done to the world.
And that will give you the blues everytime.

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#6 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:14:13

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Hans -

Love it!   The sound is SO right for the subject matter and eerie and yet beautiful too. thumbsup

I think ANY guitar in your hands would sound great!

I'm glad you're posting new videos and music as well.  I've recorded a LONG Dylan song, accompanied by a lead (which is actually too long for YouTube with their 10 minute limit, unless I lose any solo sections and only have the written verses and choruses (as Dylan did) or do something funky like speed up the playback enough to be able to fit in another 30 seconds or so for soloing .. but I've never done that and am not sure it would sound good).  The main problem is the VOCALS (as usual). Dylan is one of the few I can somethings sing "OK" but this one... so far NOPE - sounds like crapola!  I may try to re-sing it today and see if I can do a better job or get someone else to sing the vocals to it ... any volunteers with a Dylan-like voice?)

But again, this is a SUPER song by you again and I will be watching/listening to it more than a few times. smile

I hope all is well with you and yours my friend!  Drop me a line if you get a chance.

Jim

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#7 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:20:30

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Thanks for the listen/view an the words all.

Gerd,  The netherlands do have some hills... but not as high as the mountains in the clip though. 
Some forests are there to smile

I've been quiet lately, but I had a lot of going on in my life SOG.  @50 y/o I had to study again and take an exam (RSA enVision) -yeah I past, but the score wasn't perfect, only 94% wink
Some changes in my job and my eldest one was leaving home.
Last weekend I bumped my Epiphone while unloading the car and the guitar was unplayable afterwards....  My first life jam in 12 years or so and I had to bail out... no lefties around......
Anyway, I'm back big_smile

Jim, I'll drop some lines tomorrow smile

Thanks again all smile

btw, the whole track/song is mine.  All guitars are played on the Stagg and the others noises are from my keyboard/computer.
So no copyright issues there


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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#8 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:04:31

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

HBL,

Thanks for the update on yourself.
I was beginning to worry some too.
Also, I noticed that you make any guitar you play sound good.
Proof that the sound is in the artist more than the instrument.

Concerning your Epiphone - is it fixable? How bad is it damaged?

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#9 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:12:43

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

HBL - that is a lovely piece of music matey, Well done. thumbsup

While I was playing the clip .. my wife walked in and commented "That's a nice piece of music" ...now there is praise indeed !!

Now My Dear lady wife ( A Soul and R&B fan )  ..... can usually completely ignore , or just close the door every time I pick up a guitar !!neutral

The music and the visuals work well together ..........To be honest your clip would have fitted well into the score that Clapton did for "Edge of Darkness" .... that is pretty dramatic, emotive and atmospheric too. 

As others have said ... nice to hear from you again ... and sorry you bumped the Epi...alright ... I know how fond you are of that axe ... so I hope between you and the Lutier you can breathe life back into it! ... soon !!...You must feel a bit lost without it !sad

Great  track .. thanks again ...................mind you all them thar birds tweeting in the background makes you want to reach for your 12 bore !!lol

We have truly been blessed witha Wonderful World to live in .............................but seem hell bent on screwing it up and turing it into a dirty, litter strewn concrete jungle.icon_whoknows

Its enuf to give you the Blues !

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#10 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:08

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Played with real feeling and very atmosheric. thumbsup

Strummer07 has a good point about "Edge of Darkness" as does 12bar with Pink Floyd.

A good guitarist, like you HalfBlindLefty, can make pretty well any guitar sound good and sound like them playing it. A Tele in the right hands can sing sweetly and with great emotional power and range.

Hope your Epi gets well soon and I look forward to hearing more of your work.


Starting to find "that" tone, but it's taken too many years!

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#11 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:40:40

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Thanks a lot guys..  Still for a guy like me who learned to squeeze some notes from the 6 string it is amazing to find people who actually like what you created. icon_redface

The Epi will eventually be repaired, no doubt.  The only thing I found was a nut-crack in the cheap hollow Epi nut on the Dot.
I needed magnifiers to spot it there right in the middle of the nut on the fingerboard side.
If I put extra pressure on either side of the crack with one string the other 2 strings start acting up. angry

For now I'll have to prospone the repair, my hands are acting up like crazy, sometimes it feels like electric current going through my fingers.
Yup I'm a little worried right now.
I'll have to wait and see what the specialist has to say about it.......

I can still play lead parts, but as soon as I start doing chord stuff using a barre I'm scr3wed.... icon_whoknows

btw: I uploaded the BT for -the forest- for those who would like a stab at it smile
http://www.box.net/shared/peiv62huk2


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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#12 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:56:50

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

HBL - I had similar symptoms with my fingers.  I bought my gear and started practicing very intensely a few months ago - I had so much I had to learn.  Because I was a newbie I had to force my fingers into all kinds of unnatural positions (for me).

Pretty soon I was having pain and particularly that electric sensation.  Certain bar chords would send an electric shock through my finger and up my forearm.  That's really scary.  I thought my short career as a guitarist had suddenly come to an end.  My doctor (not a specialist) said the electric sensation indicated possible nerve damage as opposed to tendenitis or something similar.  One thing she recommended was to wear a strap-on wrist brace at night.  She said we tend to sleep with our wrists curled and that the nerve could heal more quickly with a straight wrist.  I did it and it seemed to help.

During the last several weeks I've eased off on the intense practice, worked on arm and hand relaxation while playing, wore the brace at night and now things seem to be a lot better.  The electric sensation is gone and my hand and fingers seem a lot stronger.  My practice sessions have improved because of the relaxation and a new level of awareness - rather than trying to brute force it.

I'm sure your situation will be different but the good news seems to be that even this problem will heal with a little TLC.  Of course, your doctor will have the best advice for you. 

Hope you're back to 100% very soon - I really admire your music.

Last edited by JimRR (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:23:54)

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#13 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:02:02

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Arrr not the Epi you really have been having run of bad luck by the sounds of things alright Is this latest hand issue related to the arthritis ? Hopefully like jimRR it will repair itself, I've heard nerve damage can take awhile to heal, still might be a good sign if your not getting numbness and loss of feeling, as that can sometimes be permanent. Hope the Doc has some good news for you.


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Play'Em As You Please.
                                 
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#14 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:07:52

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Thanks guys smile

SOG wrote:

still might be a good sign if your not getting numbness and loss of feeling, as that can sometimes be permanent. Hope the Doc has some good news for you.

Mhh  numbness ... well the tip/nail area from my right indexfinger goes numb every now and then...   You know the feeling ~10 minutes after you missed a nail in the wall with your hammer but didn't miss the nail on your finger :/

I don't wanna worry to much, so I'll sit tight and wait.


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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#15 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:58:17

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Nicely done!  The first thing that came to mind was this is a good example of "sometimes a little goes a long way", but then I started listening to the complexity of the arrangement.  VERY nice.


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#16 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:55:24

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Thanks,  The complexity isn't that high at all.
Just a couple of guitar tracks (all Stagg) and some synth tracks)


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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#17 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:50:32

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Ah no!! - my dear friend is having really bad times and bad things attacking him and his health and happiness!! ... eye_rubcry2

I know a LOT (unfortunately) about nerve pain and also tendinitis, as I caused myself DeQuervain's tendosynovitis in my right wrist (thumb would get *stuck* in unwanted positions and I had to use my other hand to put it back where it should be, and simple things like turning a door knob with my right hand HURT!!  It was two tendons that had been overused (from double keyboard over-use - computer and piano at the time) and no longer could both tendons comfortable fit and slide nice and friendly-like next to each other in the same tendon sheath, so after too many cortisone shots and two rounds of occupational (hand) therapy that did NADA, I ended up having surgery on the right wrist to "take the roof off" (surgeon's words) the tendon sheath and open it up so the tendons wouldn't be enclosed any longer.  This had the possibility of causing weakness in that hand - which for a musician and software engineer - was a BAD BAD BAD outcome - but this orthopedic surgeon was good and was super-careful and I lost NO strength and all the symptoms went bye-bye, so that was a great outcome. 

And I'm really careful now when playing - and I also get electric zaps if I overdo it and try to play a barre chord or something similar that I haven't played in a while (or it's a new one for me) and involves a lot of stretching beyond my current comfort level and then I get the ZAPPPPP!!! And I STOP STOP STOP playing that particular configuration immediately and take my learning of it SLOWLY and move up to the stretching and "awkward" hand positions I'm not used to (or haven't done in a long time) at a pace that is below what gave me the ZAP and little by little I got to do the things I wanted without damaging my body.  I had to realize I'm not young anymore and can't push myself to try anything and everything as fast as possible - not without REPERCUSSIONS that could have led to more cutting by the surgeon.  And I also found excessive computer keyboard typing - even with hand supports and proper ergonomics - made me had temporary tingling and numbness in my hand (and especially the LEFT - *fretting* - hand, and that was part of the whole sweat-shop environment I was fortunately released from a few months ago.  That overwork would have killed or crippled me - no question about it.  As I get older - I have to take things slower... oldieoldieoldie

I also had HUGE triple level lumbar fusion two years after my hand surgery (360-global too), and since then I've had zaps and weird numbness alternating with excessive sensitivity all the way down to my toe from my lower back.  This is because the surgeons who did this 9 hour surgery accidentally caused the nerve that runs down to the foot to get stretched and that damaged it and nerves heal VERY slowly ... just about an inch a year or something like that ... so it's a lot better now, but not gone, and the improvement was so slow I thought it would never get better, but it has, and I know it will keep getting better - I just have to be REAL patient.  Thankfully that didn't affect my hands, but I did have to use a cane for almost a year, and limped a bit for another couple of years, and now the only time it really bothers me is if I walk too much, and then I feel like my sock is all bunched up under that toe (and it's not) and other weird sensations.  But, it used to feel like I was walking on a sharp stone, so I'll take the bunched up sock feeling any day!  This one wasn't my fault - but I know how real nerve damage feels.

SOOOO -- if you're doing something, playing certain chords - that give you that ZAP or cause numbness... STOP!!!! yikes  And rest your hands until they feel OK and take baby steps to get to be comfortable playing that chord - or any barre chord if you've overused your hands and they need a rest.  Perhaps stick with what doesn't hurt (those GORGEOUS leads you play!) and only do the chord-rhythm playing stuff a little bit at a time - stopping if it hurts or gets numb or tingly.  There are SO many alternative positions and ways to play almost any chord on a guitar - one of the beauties of or instrument of choice! - perhaps by finding a more comfortable one you'll also discover inversions and positions that sound BETTER and cooler than the ones that hurt you!

Hurt is your body saying.. NO - STOP! (maybe do it another way...).  And with guitar - there are SO many ways to do almost EVERYTHING (changing keys if necessary) - that it can cause pain but also have the solution to that pain easily available on the long thing with the metal pieces and long steel (or nylon) strings running the other way... the neck I think it's called! :l ol: And your FRIEND, the fretboard, on that neck, is incredibly versatile in letting you do most things so many different ways (who am I to be telling YOU that?? wall - but I just don't want to see you hurt yourself going after new things that may need to done slowly or in a different way).

And I KNOW your Epi, your dear DOT will be fixed and as good as new!!  Guitars can be fixed a lot easier than nerves. big_smile  Clapton (in his drunk days) FELL on Blackie and did some breakage/damage to the neck, but his tech was able to fix it and it was good as new (which it never was since EC created it from other guitars) - and that's one of the reasons Eric fell in love with Blackie -- how it could take a lickin' and keep on tickin' ! beer  And falling on your guitar neck is pretty abusive!! yikes  I KNOW your Dot will be good as new too! alright

BTW - I plan to upload our WT (for GERD big_smile ) collab to YouTube later ... that should bring back some good memories my friend!! smile thumbsup 

Hang in there!

Jim

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#18 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:01:46

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Well, while I'm probably the oldest guy posting here (66) I'm not a wise veteran player with lots of advice on playing guitar.  In fact, I'm a beginner still running up and down the A minor pentatonic blues scale and trying to make it sound like blues.  But I can sure discuss the errors that beginners make. 

Soon after I started practicing it seemed like the arthritis in my knee had reached the point where I needed a knee replacement.  I could hardly walk because of the pain.  After reflection, I realized that because I was arching my right foot and clenching my shin muscles really hard to keep the guitar elevated that my shin muscles were hurting like crazy.  So I bought a foot rest and worked on relaxing and everything is now fine.  And, of course, there is the tension that beginners force into their neck and shoulders.  You don't even realize you are doing it because you are concentrating on your playing.  And keeping the hand and arm below a critical stress level turns out to be really important.

I had read some stuff on the internet about working to stay relaxed.  I thought it was silly - but I'm paying attention now.  I don't remember any of these problems when I played in a band in college.  I guess that's age.  I wish I had the flexible hands of an eighteen year old.

In fact, there are several parts of my body that I wish were like an eighteen year old's.  In fact, from time to time, my wife makes the observation that she also wishes that some parts of my body were like an eighteen year old's (!!!).

What's the old saying?  "Youth is wasted on the young".  Stay well everyone - I'm continuing to learn from you.

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#19 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:52:22

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Take care of your hands! I had a bad bout with carpal tunnel syndrome and tendonitus that caused me to put the guitar down for over two years. When I picked it back up, I had to change some things about the way I play. For instance, I no longer drop my wrist in the accepted "classical" position. I use my thumb on the low E string and play many of my barre chords with my thumb (like Jimi Hendrix or SRV). Even now, If I play for several hours, my hands are stiff and painful the next day. I had a gig Saturday night, and am still having a bit of trouble typing now. wall
Good luck, and remember, If Django could play with a fire mangled fretting hand, we can work through nerve and tendon trouble. thumbsup


Dynamics and phrasing trump hot licks every time.

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#20 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:25:53

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Re: The forest... it is not, but will give you the Blues

Thanks for the support guys smile

I found myself some other things to do, like restoring an old Yamaha combo. 
I can't stop playing, but I guess I can take it easy for a little while


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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