Maybe for how long (how many sets of 12 bars for instance) the next player is to solo?

Yeah, I thought that 5 would probably be far to long.

An answer from the original questioner:

One answer came from a jazz piano guy from across the web -- he says that given the 12-bar blues form, two fingers indicate a ii-V sequence in the 9th bar, and five fingers a V-IV sequence.

All comes from the circle of 5ths.

MBS alert!

:OAhhh jim  i hope the extra appendage doesnt only indicate  flats

Last edited by pee.gee (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:15:59)

Blimey Uaala ............your in a good mood today !! 

"Jams suck ?????" 

I think it always goes rather nicely on a scone or a nice piece of fresh bread !

...along with a cup of tea of course !!

Lol uaala, sure i'll go tell Oscar Peterson and Barney Kessel and all those guys who have used that method for a million years that they got it wrong and you know better.  Lmao. A lot of times there is no such thing as a rehearsal when youre at that level. Your'e expected to be able to cut it  on the spot. Try yelling across a stage with a horn section up your  arse and see who hears you. Especially in jazz where improvising might segue into the unknown, you need a quick effective method of communicating. Not all music is as basic as what eric plays or other blues. These tools werent designed by blues players, cos the blues doesnt shift around as much.
Also yelling across the stage is looked upon as unprofessional and untidy.

Last edited by pee.gee (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:47:14)

Uaala, I think you need to have a little more respect for other people's opinions and musical tastes.  You don't have to like what anybody else listens to, but you also don't need to degrade it or flame anyone.  If someone has an opinion on music that differs from your own, don't insult their knowledge- you can make your points about why you think the way you do, accept that not everybody feels the same way you do, and move on.  I disagree with many of your opinions, but I haven't insulted you for it.  I also think you come across as having more of an ego than anyone.

Uaala wrote:

ps: Doesn`t look that unprofessional to shout the keys. On the contrary. It is actually awesome.:

Also very difficult without a mic.

Ah Uaala, once again you give a fine example of your lack of experience. For once i'd actually like to see what you realy  DO know, instead of what you DONT know. Mate every time you open your mouth you just keep proving what a beginner you really are. If you really want to progress, your'e going to have to learn HOW to learn.
I feel so humbled, by your great wisdom and wealth of experience as a professional guitarist, that my mere 40 years as a teensy weensy insignificant card carrying, paid up , professional amounts to absolutely nothing. Sir i bow in awe at your majestic feet. Please oh wise one  show me the way .

Last edited by pee.gee (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:39:55)

First, you are the one who insulted me by laughing at my comments so the only one who seems to have an ego is you.

This is what you wrote:

"Lol uaala, sure i'll go tell Oscar Peterson and Barney Kessel and all those guys who have used that method for a million years that they got it wrong and you know better.  Lmao."



All i said is that i don`t like jazz, don`t go to those jams, don`t want to  and that i think is complicated to just signal the keys. You said it is unprofessional and untidy to shout keys. I say BS. People do it all the time, including EC, just like in the video i posted. Just different opinions on the subject. Unless you`re a well rehearsed band and know a lot of theory, you`re ok. The point of the topic, though, was to help beginners not complicate things by boosting your knowledge like mentioning the circle of fifths or whatever theory you know.

About your opinions...

If you think what EC plays is such simple music, WTF are you doing in a site dedicated to blues and his way of playing? The whole top section of this site is dedicated to him and his influences. I come here because my love for EC and the blues. But when i`m insulted, i`m not going to leave it be. You`re the one who started by posting "lmao, lol" whatever. And btw, where the hell did i insult you? I just said you ARE AND STILL IS wrong for YOUR opinions on the blues. Yes, i think your jazz mind to believe music has to be complicated, with a lot of chords, inversions is at least ignorant and an insult to the history of music in the world. You`ll never get what the blues is about. There`s an awesome Doyle Bramhall interview on youtube in wich he says the same thing. Blues isn`t not simple. There`s much more about. But if you don`t believe so, just like a jazz bass player i heard this week who said that blues is just the same thing over and over and the blues drummers are the laziest people in the world, there`s nothing i can do to prove you wrong. Lets just agree to disagree.

Here`s a lesson for you and for free, too: Learn how to read.

When i say i see a lot of egos in jams, i mean that a lot of guitar players i play with want to just do their own thing and they don`t care about what the rest of the band is playing or doing. They do not know how to listen, they turn the amp up really loud,  solo over singing, do the fastest runs and licks they know and all the things. And they would barely know how the play the song right with all the nuances. They just can`t play with people. Also, the singer apparently is the one who controls it all and i hate that. A band needs to be a democracy. Talk to each other before you`re up on stage, decide what songs to play, what to do and all is the key. But when the host just call people they`ve never met, never talked to each other, to play together, i find it this a wrong thing to do. An alternative would be to promote friendship and make people talk to each other before they jam. Introduce them one by one, treat them as human beings, so its easier to find like-minded people, after all, we all there because of the love of music. 

And about your experience...

If you`re that good and have 40 years of experience, wheres your record deal, cd`s, weekly concerts, grammys, great songs, and all? Why don`t u do that instead of making fun of people in message boards. I`m the one that bows at your knowledge, oh wise old guy.

I`m 26 years old, been to a lot of jams, still go because of my passion for the blues and playing with people is above anything else.  With that said, the best times i played and still play are when i find people in jams and play outside in some other time , in their house, mine whatever.  Or even when i play with people who ARE as serious and as dedicated to music as i am like my teachers, for exemple. I find a lot of amateurs in jams and people who don`t care about being respectful to this great music that is the blues. They just think blues is a shuffle in E, A, I IV V and ALL this bs you find everywhere.  Being someone who is going to music school, studying the style everyday for over 10 hours, i expect the players to be as dedicated. That is not having an ego. It is the ability to chose the ones i play with by chemestry, have a goal set, and do it to honor the history of the music I love.


I plan on not say anything about the subject again.  Follow your heart and  i`ll follow mine. Deal?

Last edited by Uaala (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:18:18)

PLEASE.....
It's music. Not politics. Each his opinion.
is better than

Now - what about a nice collaboration to calm down?

And don't care for the biggest ego - it's me!