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#1 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:09:06

Jim S
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Double Troubled and MAD!!!

In the Blues Room!

http://12bar.de/forum/uploads.php?file= … 7-mono.mp3


This is a slow blues in D minor based on "Double Trouble" by Otis Rush.  I played it after something had made me very angry and so rather than being more mellow, it turned out to be 10 minutes long - which I cut down to 7 minutes - but the aggression and feelings of anger are still there. I apologize for the rough playing in parts - it all just came out in one surge of madness! angrywall

Also top song on SoundClick at : http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_mu … dID=577583

More tomorrow!! big_smile

Jim

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#2 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:12:50

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

For me one of your best recording ever - one can really feel the anger! pray

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#3 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:57:21

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

better out than in dude!, lol


Blues is the glue that bonds music like cement,...so you better pay your dues and forget about the rent!

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#4 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:46:08

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

HBl runs for cover, Jim is M.A.D   smile

Great recording Jim, lots of feeling coming out from it !


We are BLUES....... you will be assimilated, ........resistance is futile haha

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#5 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:14:02

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Thanks guys!

Yeah, I was MAD that day, and I had intended on just doing a nice mellow take of Double Trouble (straight into the Mac without the amp so I could play as loud as I wanted) but s*it happened with the unemployment situation and health insurance delays that got me so riled up so fast that I just turned GarageBand on, and pulled the 10 minutes (originally MIDI) backing in and started a new project and just went crazy and didn't stop playing until the 10 minutes was up and then I had no idea what I was left with - as to what I just recorded would sound like.  INTERESTING for sure!  Some parts were just too out of control and I fell into the wrong key temporarily and those sections went, and also I was playing so roughly (ALL finger style playing in this - no pick) that Goldie went OUT OF TUNE about 8 minutes in!  Never has happened before, even after playing hours with my ex-band.  But those end sections were kinda messed up due to that, although once I realized which strings were out, I managed to comensate while continuing to play so the ending really is the actual ending, with out of tune strings, but me just bending them in whichever way they had to go to keep in tune.

I was doing 2 full step bends on the lower part of the fretboard, and those really did a number on the tuning I think, but were great for getting out pent up agression!  (Those "angry bits" EC talks about at the CREAM interview that Gerd had translated and put into writing and also tabbed out - when EC had his psychedelic SG and was showing how to get the woman-tone and use the wah-wah pedal and all that).  It really does work - and even though I'm not good enough to play that fiercely as EC and get the angry bits out and yet still maintain total control, it still feels GOOD and I was a lot more relaxed at the end (and kind of exhausted too). big_smile

The original is actually in stereo and has panning that I like in it, but even at 128K it was 14 MB so I had to go to MONO for both the Blues Room and SoundClick.  But I'm going to upload the stereo one to my server and put a link in as I think the panning effect adds to the feelings.  I think this upload is too loud too, which is partly from going from stereo to mono and partly just me having it too high - so I'll try to adjust that too.

Thanks so much Gerd for such a nice compliment!  And many thanks to SixString and my friend HBL for their support too!  Yes Hans - I was M.A.D!! (Run away!!! big_smile )

away

Jim

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#6 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:17:09

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Jim S wrote:

(Those "angry bits" EC talks about at the CREAM interview that Gerd had translated and put into writing and also tabbed out

Edit: ...that Gerd AND JIM had translated... wink

Sounds like Jim and EC have something in common - playing best when there are dramatic changes in life. I hope it will come to a good end.

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#7 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:37

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Really Raw blues Jim and you are playing from the heart the way the blues were meant to be played  thumbsup

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#8 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:46:29

Jim S
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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Thanks MAC and again - my GOOD boss Gerd! thumbsup You give credit even where credit is barely due (you did 99% of the work on that interview!)  I wish there were more in common between me and EC... big_smile (well, I do play the same model guitar that he does... at least pretty close, as I'm sure his have some special adjustments and additions depending on what EC wants, but mine is close enough and the best guitar I've ever played - GOLDIE!) And GOLDIE sounded a lot like a humbucker guitar in this song, IMO.  I would have thought I was playing my LP myself, if I didn't know better.. big_smile ).

I am getting a Stereo (panned) version of this song prepared to put on my server and I'll put a link here, because I really do like the sound better.  But other than cutting the song in half, which I don't want to do, and it's already at 128Kbps, but in MONO to get the size down, there is no way I can get the size down to under 8 MB (or even 10 MB for a free SoundClick account).

Jim

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#9 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:36:36

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Nice playing Jim!

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#10 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:36:41

Jim S
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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Thanks so much!!

I haven't been posting much lately because of job hunting and care-taking of my Mom -- and a *possibility* of having some of my classical compositions FINALLY RECORDED (by a REAL recording company who will sell the recordings as CDs, for download, etc).  This is a dream of mine .. but the question is whether I have to pay some initial costs for the record company to pay the orchestras with with hopes of recouping that, and making a profit eventually, from royalties from sales of the recordings.   I have nothing to use to pay such costs - so that is the one thing that COULD get in the way.  I'll know better Monday as I have a phone call then with the Marketing and A&R main person there about the details.  Wish me luck!

Sorry for getting off track - THANKS for the compliment again!

Jim (ASCAP)

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#11 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:34:07

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Good luck - I'll buy one!

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#12 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:25:29

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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Jim, so often in the past ive experienced situations where either i or friends have signed with a label only to come out with a huge debt. In most of my experiences  the band's gone in and recorded, any extra session players were from the same stable usually. Friends of mine came out with a bill of 130,000 for production costs from a label they were signed to. It may have been a different story if their music were pop instead of slightly avante-rock. However, they had noone to blame but themselves as they were too keen and didnt get the contract to a solicitor to break down.
I myself made the same mistake years ago and signed a contract where i would make 1% of 90%  of the retail. Unfortunately   a  single was  1 dollar then. So for every copy sold i made 9 cents. I didnt get hit with any production costs, cos i allready had the blood sucked out of me. My own fault. Lucky me, we recorded the album, then had a big fight. So the album stayed in the can never to be released. The material, i couldnt re-record with another label for 25 years.
Point is deals vary, the record company always wins. Dont sign anything before you get legal advise mate.

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#13 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:45:04

Jim S
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Re: Double Troubled and MAD!!!

Hey - thanks pee.gee!!!  thumbsup

That is what I was afraid would happen.  I said in an email to the marketing lady that I was afraid it would be a deal where I'd have to pay huge amounts to get my music recorded by an orchestra that needs to be payed, and I'll find out the details in the phone call Monday (and NOOO I can't pay them, although I'd take less royalties instead since I'm getting ZIP, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO... oh GOOSE EGG too now, and with full scores such as I have to be played most times I've had  other "offers" that are impersonal cookie-cutter type come-ons, which once I looked into the details, would have cost me HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of dollars per MINUTE (as a whole orchestra had to be paid as well as the recording dudes), but this current contact was a one-to-one personal contact and the company has put out recordings and downloadable music as well as CD's of artists such as Yo-Yo Ma (cello), and now owns other catalogs of recordings from company's they've bought or collaborate with - and they are selling music by very well-known contemporary artists (some passed on) such as Leonard Bernstein, Richard Stoltzman, and the above mentioned Yo-Yo Ma, and many others.

  Here is "part" of an email to me, with the actual company names left out :

[Name of company] is a service-based production company with a series of subsidiary imprints. With any recording project, there is a budget, and our projects are no different. There is an investment that needs to be made on behalf of the composer, either from third party investor, grant organization, or personal resources. But what you get with a project with [Name of company] is unparalleled.  We have exclusive distribution through [another large music distribution company], the worldwide leader in classical distribution. We work with the finest in terms of ensembles, engineers, graphic designers, and more, and we do all of our work in-house to ensure the finest possible final product. Artists who work with us always retain full rights to the masters and the compositions, and our royalty policy is among the most competitive in the industry. We are also on the forefront of the presentation of our releases – with forays into “enhanced content”, digital albums, and more. While our projects do require investment on behalf of the composer (a reality in the classical recording industry), but you would be hard-pressed to find a more enthusiastic, hard-working and successful backing team.

Obviously I left out the names of any actual companies involved, since I don't feel I have the right to reveal that info YET and if they are looking around on the internet, seeing their name in a quote from me asking about the deal, could well scuttle the deal...  But I'm just not sure what an "investment that needs to be made on behalf of the composer" means.  "On behalf" of someone usually means that someone ELSE is doing something FOR the first someone (which would be me) - but I'm not sure! And what about the "3rd party investors and grant organizations" reference -- do they try and get those - or me?  Does "on behalf" mean I pay, or they get funding FOR ME???  I've been searching around the internet for how record companies work, but this is a production company (they book recording sessions with ensembles - some well known ones too - and then (like a record company) market the recordings and pay royalties - and I'm a member of ASCAP so they should be helping me with that), so... how is it to be interpreted (ANYONE!!).


Gerd - THANKS!! That should at least take a little sting out of the deal! smile  Seriously though - thanks!

Jim

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